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City wants everything to be a Multi Use Pathways

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    Tom R
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    Your frustration is well-put and not new. We need a change in leadership to bring a change in philosophy. Nothing new here and nothing changing at the City. Read my letter in the latest Chronicle, a re-write of a letter in KTW about 2 years ago.

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      skye
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      Thanks I'll grab a copy of the paper.

      When I saw the quick build infrastructure plans in the AT Plan Update I was hoping there had been a change in philosophy.

      Figure 12 Quick Build Cycling Infrastructure Delivery
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        Tom R
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        I've seen an online link in my e-mail. Here's their main one but I can't find the letters section (brief look). They do list hard copy locations, too. https://kamloopschronicle.com/

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          RobHiggins
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          There is no question that the default for the City is the Multiuse Path. It would require direction from Council to shift that thinking and KCC has been asking about how we might do that. While the new Active Transportation Plan notes the quick build infrastructure, I don't see that being the primary build unless the City Staff discover a way to make it zero cost and zero impact on road lanes and parking. We are a very low priority. Having said all that, there are situations when I would take a MUP over the current infrastructure. As crazy as it seems to have a MUP with high pedestrians and possibly high cyclist use going to TRU along McGill, the current situation is going to get someone (me?) killed sooner or later. Sooo many close calls ...

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            This is perhaps the preeminent issue for AT planning in Kamloops at present, and one that serves to illustrate the City's true travel hierarchy (which is in opposition to their stated mode hierarchy). Personal motor vehicle travel and parking trumps all else. The plan to use MUPs in all new AT infra also acts as a wedge issue for those who are trying to advocate for better AT infrastructure. It forces advocates to decide is something better than nothing, or is it not? MUP's have a place, and the criteria for when the place fits a MUP are clearly outlined in the provincial AT resource guide. Kamloops has chosen to ignore that guide, and try to satisfy everyone (build AT, don't impact parking or vehicle travel lanes, don't disrupt current travel patterns, don't force anyone to contemplate major change). MUPs fit that bill, but in the end satisfy nobody, at least in many of the proposed locations. KCC (in my opinion) has to keep pushing the City to use MUPs when they are appropriate, to mode separate MUPs in busy areas, and to protect on street cycleways where they exist, and where they are the best infrastructure choice in new projects. Unfortunately that may mean NOT supporting some proposed projects. We also need to be very transparent with our members about why we do or do not support projects as they come up. The VV drive example is a good one. A MUP along there is not a good idea...

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              Tom R
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              100% agree with Trent. Given I'm outside a lot of the meetings that have occurred, I hope we're making our dissatisfaction(s) obvious and being complimentary of the good, of course. But we're not here to be friends. We're here to advocate and to get along but that doesn't mean being pushovers and not pushing boundaries. But - again - I'm saying this with very little participation in the last year or so.

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                RobHiggins
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                Do we know anyone who uses the Valleyview corridor daily? We need that detail. I use it about once a month to head out east for a ride.

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                  I don't know anyone directly but I can offer the following. When we did GBBW a couple of years ago, at the McCracken site, we counted ??38?? bikes heading into downtown. Of those, 2 were men on e-bikes commuting to the data centers at the end of McGill; one from Juniper and one ?V'view? Then there was the teacher from Juniper who e-bike commutes to Pacific Way Elementary! Yes, all the way up!! And someone else who came along knew her and said that she used to do it on a regular bike, just not as often. So we have those stats, as a starter. Not sure how to track down the people unless someone wanted to make a cold call to Pac Way. Can only be one teacher there who e-bike commutes from Juniper. And, as a Plan B, I'll text my friend that teaches there; she's bound to know her. Who should that teacher contact? My friend may not want to give me the cyclists contact info (privacy). (follow all this? haha! Typing during a zoom meeting while getting dressed for some final laps at Sun Peaks. 7 cm. fresh!!)

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                    I've seen an online link in my e-mail. Here's their main one but I can't find the letters section (brief look). They do list hard copy locations, too. https://kamloopschronicle.com/

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                    skye
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                    @Tom-R said in City wants everything to be a Multi Use Pathways:

                    I've seen an online link in my e-mail. Here's their main one but I can't find the letters section (brief look). They do list hard copy locations, too. https://kamloopschronicle.com/

                    Picked up a copy, great letter. I like the tone of how you presented the facts, how it benefits everyone, and the call for civility.

                    Chronicle A9 2025-04.jpeg

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                      Thanks, Skye! I appreciate your message. 🙂

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